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Ok so it's a been a while since I had a good rant, lol I really do try to avoid them these days, but i've read some stuff this week that's boiled over a bit. the first is this article on Mark Millar's new comics/entertainment magazine called CLiNT. [link]

Now it's not a bad article by any means, and I don't think it was intended to attack what I'm about to mention but I just didn't like the under-tones of it. It pretty much said that stuff like Kick-Ass could only be enjoyed by a certain less mature age group. as if to say once you get in your 40's there's no way this magazine or comic could relate to you and if it did it's some lower form of storytelling. And I see this alot, action stories can't possibly be meaningful or critically acclaimed. especially ones involving characters in spandex. it's as if the notion to even dream of someone being noble enough to attempt such ridiculous and non-normal feats is very adolescent. The only way that it becomes successful is if it's scrutinized and made "real", i.e. Watchmen. the only superheroic tale that's given literary merit. And what does Watchmen say about heroes, that if they were real their heroic ideals would all be corrupted by human shortcomings, and that the only way they could save the world is through a lie. Now there is the ending with Rorshach's info getting to the papers but honestly in a comic that tropes realism and a world where Ozymandias is much more respected and powerful than the convicted and insane, Rorshach, do you honestly think that article will have that much of an effect. Hell Ozymandias probably owns the paper that was going to print it anyway.

Now I'm not saying Watchmen wasn't great or a monumental necessity for the capes and spandex world. Just that why does it have to be the only one that people truly respect. Sure Kingdom Come, Dark Knight Returns, and Batman Year One, gets alot of nods. But not on the Watchmen level. and to be honest I wish they did, cause at least the message in those is that heroic ideals can work. that in spite of some of the horrible things that can happen because of them, heroes' crazy goals can lead to good things. That men and women can achieve such silly dreams. So what's so juvenile about that. Why does being an adult mean you can't accept such things. And on a side note I think there's been a good bit of superheroic storytelling that's just as good as Watchmen but without the nihilistic context. Comics like Warren Ellis' Authority and Nextwave, and Morrison's Final Crisis and definitely All Star Superman. Now with these four series we have a good spectrum of superheroic view points. Ellis work is cynical but still says these ideals can work. While Morrison's are completely optimistic that even in reality's crumbling due to a dying dark god, the heroes still fight to save it all. Or like in all star Superman, where Superman upon finding out that he's dying, does everything in his power to leave the world a better place, wrapping up his human ties, i.e. telling lois who he is. dealing with his father's death, and well just not being whiny, negative, and super-introspective about it all.

Ok well that was a tangent, but back on track. so then i read this article [link] about an anonymous, possibly big time comics writer's lamenting on the state of mainstream comics. and i get it, not every book superhero book is good. or great. But why is it the one entertainment medium that's supposed to be so dang-gum perfect. It's like every book is supposed to open the door to super-heroic enlightenment. lol i'm sorry that you can't go into any shop and pick up a random book and it not be gold. But then again when can you ever do that. You surely don't go to a bookstore thinking the first random book you pick is going to be great. But in super-comics good lord they're all supposed to be good apparently. And that's the bias I'm talking about. everyone's looking for the next Watchmen and if it doesn't meet that standard then it's crap. (ok that was a bit extreme but you get what i'm saying) The sad part is that there are alot great superhero books out right and I really think the average one is written alot better than the average of the past. Now what alot of them lack is imaginative and often crazy ridiculous concepts of the silver and golden ages. Ya know stuff like Superman's new mermaid girlfriend or Batman's shark repellent. Things that added random fun to the issues. Of course the downside to this is that that's all those stories could be, fun, useless one or 2 issue romps but nothing too serious. and the problem with modern books is that it often gets wayyyyy to serious and real, but then again that's the lasting effect of Watchmen again, things have to be more "real" now. And honestly i think the answer lies in between the fun concepts of the past mixed with the realism of Watchmen. Hence why I think books like all star Superman and Nextwave are sooo good. but anyway my point is that no other genre of comics has to stand up to such scrutiny. Of course not every super-book you read is going to be good, but the same could be said for indy books, manga, mini-comics, etc. I've said this for years but there's good and bad comics in all genres.

So what Im saying is either give superhero books a break or please hold the other genres to such scrutiny.

And to end this on a more positive note, here's a great article about Mark Millar's run on Fantastic Four. I truly love when superhero books are critically analyzed with respect and not with condemnation. [link]

Ok long rant complete.

Super-cool points for reading this.
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  • Listening to: Scott Pilgrim Soundtrack
  • Reading: Xmen Legacy
  • Watching: Legend of Billie Jean
  • Playing: Mass Effect 2 (again)
  • Eating: samich
  • Drinking: Mountain Dew
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:iconjadiner:
Found this randomly and don't have any deep thoughts to contribute...only that I really REALLY wish DA would allow faving of journals. This is an awesome and on-point rant :D
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:iconkross29:
*kross29 Sep 15, 2010  Professional General Artist
thanks alot for reading!
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:iconjenken:
Mmm this was a good rant.
Back Story: Until Freshman year I'd fallen into the "MANGA ONLY" hole since I was about 11. Sandman brought me out of that closed mind and into the world of DC, Vertigo, and Marvel.
As speaking from someone who used to roll her eyes at superheroes...YES! I agree with you! Watchmen was good (I admittedly skipped some of the overly wordy bits), but I can think of so many other books that are worthy of such esteem. The first superhero book that I got into after I got back into US stuff was Green Arrow Quiver. And I still hold that has one of my favorites of all time. And don't even get me started on Superman Birthright because I literally squealed when I first read it. (Superman gets a bad rap in general sometimes, which sucks but that's a whole other rant).
I FINALLY read Long Halloween last night and I was blown away! And I love Arkham Asylum though apparently it gets kind of a bad view (as it can be kind of hard to read), but the PSYCHOLOGY in it was FANTASTIC.
And that's the allure of superhero books, I think. That dark (or not so dark) view of the human mind and reaction to humanity (or inhumanity). There's so much intrigue and potential for so many interesting stories. And there already ARE so many good stories out there. With superheroes as a genre, it's really amazingly open to EVERY genre and I have a hard time thinking of many types of stories that can do that. Superheroes are mystery, sci-fi, fantasy, romance, for kids, for adults, historical fiction, horror, etc, etc. That kind of versatility is why superheroes are so very timeless and deserve recognition. And even greater is that depending on your mood, you have something that can cheer you up, make you think, or just make you go "woah."

What you brought up about being held to such high standards for every issue is really true too. Never thought about it, but every comic IS expected to be superb and not just what it is. And then people look down on comics because...they aren't? Good point!

You know, considering what people celebrate and applaud today (*cough*Twilight*cough*)...maybe it's not a surprise this is a view of mainstream comics.

This is far too long a comment for me simply to say "I agree with you." :B
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:iconkross29:
*kross29 Aug 30, 2010  Professional General Artist
no jen it was awesome thanks for the reply. :D
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*RetroDash Aug 29, 2010  Student Digital Artist
I love all types of comics, and I'm willing to give any one a chance. Tis a shame that everyone's trying to make things "realistic." My favorite type of comics are the ones that ditch realism for creativity, and sometimes the "child-like" stories are the best. But they don't get much recognition because of that exact fact; They're made for the "less" mature, and can't be enjoyed by everyone. I think that may have been the reason I shifted toward more manga over the years. (Well, shonen anyway) And even that usually has an age limit. It's supposed to be enjoyed by young boys to the late teens. I ask the same question as you, which is, why can't it be enjoyed by all?

I don't want to knock the realistic comics, because I have nothing against them, but I don't like it when a comic is put into a bracket of maturity/age. So what they're saying is once you reach a certain age, a giant monster attacking a village, only to fight a caped super hero all the way to Mars becomes childish, and thus you must move on to stories where the main character must deal with real life issues. Honestly, doesn't it all come down to taste? I guess age determines maturity when it comes to preferred comics. Great , now I'm ranting. And I kinda went off topic I think. D:
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:iconkross29:
*kross29 Aug 29, 2010  Professional General Artist
lol nah man you stayed on topic. thanks for commenting.
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:icondr-kara:
Dude this just started my week off on a great note. Weird ... i know but still. Any sensible argument about comics is A+ in my books.

I'm going to admit that the comic industry rating system (whats considered good, whats considered bad whatnot) confuses the heck out of me. I have to remind myself sometimes that all reviews and things are bias for that one or small group of people doing the reviewing. Watchmen ... I honestly thought that comic was tldr but i liked the art haha and i maybe would have enjoyed the Scot Pilgrim comic if it was colored. (movie was awesome tho ... i honestly just cant tell the diff in characters art wise) but I /loved/ The Losers comic which is apparently less appreciated where I'm at than i realized.

Then again I dont think I've been as willing as to pick up random comic titles to give them a try until now. I'm even thinking about getting some DC books (gasp lol jk but mainly the ones written by Kevin Smith ) I dont even know what my point was anymore ... other than ...

you like what you like

and dont be afraid to try new things.
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:iconkross29:
*kross29 Aug 29, 2010  Professional General Artist
lol you're awesome kara.
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:iconhunterkirizaki:
My response is not going to be that long, but by god my MOM liked Kickass; she even said to me "I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it".

I'm not a big superhero guy, but I do enjoy the concepts that I've heard about from people who are the superhero comic type. Spiderman's cool, but I'm not as interested in Superman because Spiderman has a theme and obvious weaknesses, while I'm still unclear about Superman's weaknesses other than Kryptonite, which I believe is a rare commodity.

I want to read Watchmen because it sounds good, and I want to read the Kickass comic that I heard apparently exists. I would probably consider going into a superhero comic store and buying a few random comics that look pretty decent, if I had more money, too.

Sorry if I didn't make much sense, but just saying what's on my mind.
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*kross29 Aug 29, 2010  Professional General Artist
nah i appreciate the reply. if you're looking for good super-books my best example would be Invincible, comes out through Image. it's kind of a combo classic superhero storytelling mixed with manga/anime. It's my favorite. other good ones are Nextwave, and All Star Superman. I admit finding a really good take on Superman is rare but all star and another series called Superman Birthright are extremely good and show him being not perfect, without him just being afraid of Kryptonite.
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