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I hope this doesn't offend, but for the most part they suck. I'm still waiting for one that:

A. Doesn't have Lightning powers (Don't get me wrong I love Storm, But Black Lightining and Static, are sadly pretty much the same character, i guess it would have been cool if there was some legacy connection between the two but that's not the case. and lot's not forget the current Johnny Thunder.

B. Isn't From Africa or "Da' Streets" it's like all their origins has to connect them to low income housing and or the "motherland" (Prowler, Falcon, Luke Cage, Black Lighting, that kid wit the tattoos that was in New Xmen for a while, Rage....

C. Black versions of other more recognizable heroes. Black Lantern, lol i mean John Stewart, Steel, Firestorm, Black Goliath, Night Thrasher (wack batman) Mr. Terrific...

D. HAVE BLACK IN THEIR NAMES, Black Lightning, Panther, Goliath, Manta(a villain but still) i'm sure there's more.

E.There's a guy called Rage. RAGE. a kid from the streets that fights crime angrily. :(

And well that's about it, I left out the "i'm smart so i can build armor and stuff power", which really isn't a power. i mean think about it, alot of black superheroes power is to be smart..... (Steel, Prodigy [one of marvel's many characters with that name] Mr. Terrific, Hardware, Cyborg) or that if you mix and match the above categories, you'll pretty much cover them all.

I know alot of this has to do with "the times" but i think that's used as an excuse a little too much for me. Cause it's not like new black characters don't still follow that trend. Lol are there even any black people in Scott Pilgrim?

And let's not even get started on other minorities in comics, cause good lord it only gets worse.

I also wouldn't mind seeing a black or any other ethnicity save the day in a major crossover. Or be remotely relevant when big threats come to town.

And I know the response this is, make my own, which I do, but is it so much to ask to have others do the same. Instead of trying to make these characters relatable based on stereotypes, just make a character, like they normally do who just happens to be a different skin tone.

Sorry for another negative internet rant but it's own my mind today.
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ztenzila Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2011
and also the spirits sidekick ebony white
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ztenzila Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2011
you really have a good point there you ...its true some of those comic companies are very shit and dumb ... and also you forgot to mention Blade and Hancock too
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Latif Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2009
I remember lamenting about this subject numerous times and while living in Japan, even taking certain anime artists to task for their perception of black people in general. Considering the climate of the world nowadays, you would think some of these blatant moves and thought patterns in comics would go to the wayside.
Looking at my own 200+ characters and the 4 comic series I work on, most of my main characters are of ethnic persuasions (black, african, japanese, mongolian, innuit, ainu, etc) and don't run into any of the usual stereotypes that are present in comics and there are, at best, maybe 20 characters that are white and they don't even hail from america.

I hear you on the Scott Pilgrim issue, I understand that given O'malley's source material, you won't see many brothas and sistas in the comic, but given my many travels to the country, there are TONS of black people there (sans Dominique's appearance in vol.4 and 5) in particular, the Ontario province where the Scott Pilgrim series takes place, He could at least have a few pop up in the background if anything.
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kross29 Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2009  Professional General Artist
agreed
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danimation2001 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
man that podcast was a hoot man. I can't believe that there isn't one character that doesn't fall into those categories.

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hmmm...


Heh, well considering the amount of comics that he's been in and on the covers of, what about Barack Obama. I mean the dude became President, that has to be power in and of itself to defeat that long running bs.
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kross29 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2009  Professional General Artist
hahahah thanks for listening and yeah i think obama is about the only one who doesn't fit the bill,
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cdmalcolm Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
My 2 cent rant about this subject. I Totally agree with you Kross. I love comics. I love heroes and villains no matter the race. Black heroes that are well known have these stereotypes. It made me hated the a lot of black characters in some of these stories. i think whats saving these characters are the current movies played by famous black actors. they start to look normal heroes. (color blind).

Static, Prowler, Bishop, the black kid "heat blast" & the Black Green Lantern is the most normal characters to me. I didn't see color while reading or watching any of their tales. most of the time it was colorless.

in my universe i have black characters,but they are based off me. BUT, even I fell into the trap of making some of them from "da streets". However, I also have, a demon that is black with a white female spirit in one body of a Hybrid lion man, (no not Spawn); a nerdy sista that can see the thoughts of writers; a young kid who's is from the hood but is totally not ghetto in any way and has the power change into many forms of smoke only if smoke is around; a 25 YO black guy that has similar powers of liquid metal, but his human side can not change to the liquid metal; A black guy that can See all forms of the dead and kills them, ...rant rant rant... All of which don't have "Angry, black man syndrome". I see them as individuals.

the point here is to make black characters in to just a characters. My best friend (who is Puerto Rican), was shocked that my star character is Puerto Rican who only speaks Spanish and Japanese. he started to realized that all of his characters were white. I hardly create white heroes, I figured there are too much as it is. I have 150 character & quite a few heroes and villains that are minority driven. Yes, some are the very same stereotype i hate but Africa, Da hood, or having the word "black" in the name is part of this world. I expect it to be there BUT not all the time like how comics books stage these heroes.
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kross29 Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2009  Professional General Artist
cool stuff.

thanks for the reply
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kumajin1 Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2009  Professional General Artist
Valid points, all. (Mr. Terrific might be an exception, being a revamped version of a previously-white comic character.)

As far as a variety of hero and villain-types who don't all fit the typical stereotypes, your best bet would be to go back through the Milestone universe, which should be easier to do, now that it's supposedly being revived. I think that because the company was designed to showcase multi-culturalism in both its staff and subject matter, you'll find a lot of interesting heroes, villains, and supporting characters who fit both outside (and inside, alas) the traditional "I shoot lightnin', I'm from the streets/jungles!" stereotypes. (Ironically, the Milestone character with one of the most interesting variations on the traditional comic ability was a white supremacist, Hotstreak.)

This is an OLD argument, decades old, in fact. When the 1970's ended, so did the need for jive-talkin', stereotypical minority characters. As the years have passed they stick out more and more. As Akeem's list shows, writers and creators have slowly but surely moved away from thinking up 'black characters', and more toward characters who 'happen to be black'. As younger generations of writers take over the reigns, men and women who haven't grown up as uptight about race and culture as us old folks, the character types will expand further, plain and simple.

The answer isn't to go create your own minority characters; that just perpetuates the mindset that "we need minority characters". Just create your worlds, and you'll find that as you envision characters, some will be white, some black, some latino, some asian, etc.

Just my two cents. Peace, and keep your pencils flying!
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kross29 Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2009  Professional General Artist
thanks for reading homes you make a good point
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Quietstorm Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2009
I've created a black character in one of my comics and he doesn't fit any of the stereotypes. Well, that I can think of. He was a great athlete in high school, and earned a college scholarship. He received his degree and became an archaeologist. I think the only stereotype that I used for him was a comic stereotype of having an alliterative name--Mason Manning.

And I agree with you wholeheartedly on the subject.
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kross29 Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2009  Professional General Artist
sounds good man. keep at it.
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Quietstorm Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2009
Thanks...maybe we can have a crossover once I get off my duff and get the book done. Ha ha, I kid.
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Requiem7 Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2009
what about Warmachine? he's black, and he backs up tony stark all the time, does he count at all?
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kross29 Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2009  Professional General Artist
not really, he's pretty much has the same problem as john stewart, which is his origin will always be tied to tony, pretty much the black iron man (literally) and not his own specific origin

my point was that a big portion of black heroes are back-up copies of more popular ones, so war machine really falls short to me.
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Requiem7 Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2009
shoot I guess thats true...huh...so then, why dont you just make one? >__>
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kross29 Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2009  Professional General Artist
ugh yeah, not trying to be mean but i think u need to re-read what i wrote, cause i kinda addressed that in the post. or you can look through my gallery and see that i already have.
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weigy Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2009
Intelligence, subtlety and cultural merit aren't really the things I can look for in American superhero comics.

Then again, to be honest, the only black characters I suppose isn't from the street, GTA (which for me, is one of the most stereotyping stuff out there), tribal Africa that I like... have actually only been from CAPCOM.

Dudley from SF3 and Sheva from RE5 (actually not racist despite popular claims that it is, funny how that works).
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kross29 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2009  Professional General Artist
yeah dudley sheva are damn cool. and yeah RE5 isn't racist at all
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emstone Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2009
Hehe... spot on! I agree with ~KatWylder's comments too.
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kross29 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2009  Professional General Artist
:D
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Abraxas579 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2009
i agree with your blog wholeheartedly!
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kross29 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2009  Professional General Artist
thanks for checking it out man
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Abraxas579 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2009
No prob Rashad. I still remember when Superman died and they had the 4 guys replace him. Remember the Steel Superman. Cover a poor blackman in steel so you cant see his true color.
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kross29 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2009  Professional General Artist
hahaha so sad
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PowerGuard Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009
Wait you can't forget my boy, Night Thrasher from the New Warriors. The original series was drawn by Mark Bagley (Issues 1-25)and actually had a pretty good storyline where there was a Egyptian influenced version of the Avengers.
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kross29 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2009  Professional General Artist
yeah i loved that series, but as much as i like night thrasher he's just a poor man's batman. why couldn't he have vance or speedball's powers. sure that might have changed his character some, but i'd raher have seen him be destined for great things like vance was.
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PowerGuard Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2009
True, True, which is what I liked about him. i was hoping they developed his character to be in the league with Stark, Osborn, kind of a triangle of power constantly struggling to get the upper hand. oh I forgot Battalion from Stormwatch. Omni from the Backlash series, who had his own many series.
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kross29 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2009  Professional General Artist
battalion was cool. especially what they did with him after the 90's. Yeah Omni was awesome too. although they changed his name to Black Halo in the New Dynamix mini, he still has/had alot of potential
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DQJ Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009
I missed this earlier, but apparently Public Enemy are superheroes too. I swear, if Flavor Flav has lightning powers...

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kross29 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009  Professional General Artist
hahahaha
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art314 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009
I think you make a good case for this.

I am not normally one for the superhero stories, much less the style, but I am trying to incorporate an African-American character in a story idea that I hope to one day flesh out.

Being Hispanic, I think that minorities are overlooked when it comes to superhero type comics.
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kross29 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009  Professional General Artist
cool can't wait to see it.
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striffle Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009
Amazing Man was an Olympian who went on to become a hero. Was he from "Da Streets" beforehand? I can't remember...
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kross29 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009  Professional General Artist
no i don't think so
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invader-hime Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009
Why do they almost always have lightning powers? I never got that either, not that there's anything wrong with lightening powers, just saying.
I always liked Bishop...and I was totally going to say Alan from Ben 10 Alien Force when I realized he's part Pyronite, which was Heatblast from the original series, so he's technically a re-do of another hero. Darn.

Also, Storm was always my favorite. I don't know anyone who doesn't like her X3.
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kross29 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009  Professional General Artist
yeah storm's my fave too.
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invader-hime Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009
She's awesome...in pretty much any incarnation.
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kross29 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009  Professional General Artist
totally agreed
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ThatCanadian52 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009  Hobbyist
One of the most bad ass heroes of all time,Al Simmons AKA SPAWN (Also made by a Canadian I might add)
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Akeem Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
I completely agree with what you're saying. That's why i personally love the X-Men. That's one comic book series i know that has a variety of blacks; hero or villain.

First off the most famous female in all the Marvel Universe IS Storm. Everytime Marvel has a collage of their characters, they have Storm as the only female on it. And now she and T'CHalla are the most powerful couple in Marvel. So personally I think that's a plus. Then there's Bishop, who is a perfect example of a character who just happens to be black. He doesn't talk any jive, no slang, none of that. He's just head stong in what he believes in.

And there's alot of other black X-Men characters who's start wasn't in the ghetto or Africa. I mean, some of their stays were short, but they were still good characters.
1. Cecilia Reys
2. Prodigy
3. Maggot (r.i.p.)
4. Tag
5. Monet
6. Gateway
7. Doorman
8. Bling
9. Threnody
10. Synch
11. Sunspot
12. Shard (Bishop's Sister; r.i.p.)
13. Sasquatch
14. The Anarchist
15. Bedlam
16. Dreadlox
17. Emplate
18. Hammer
19. Monolith
20. Deluge
21. Joanna Cargill
22. Rem-Ram
23. MurMur
24. Emmanuel DeCosta
25. Selene
26. Shatter
27. Postman
28. Reese
29. Angel
30. Slick
31. Spike (X-Static, not X-Men Evolution, though that IS the exact same character)
32. Apocalypse (the most awesome villain)
33. Bedlam
34. Haven
35. Stevie Hunter
36. Shadow King
37. Penance

I know there are alot more, that's just all I can remember.

Now as for me, Your problem was mine, too. Which is why I created Massive Effect a long time ago. I wanted to do something that we ALL can relate to WITHOUT putting them in the ghetto, and it's very diverse. I sure I'll be the only one in history who created a Samoan villain.

All in all, You do what your doing. And hopefully, you and I will be able to change that game. Until then, keep hustling your work, man. You're doing a good job.
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133art Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2009  Professional General Artist
also maggot, apocolypse, and shadow king are pretty much african. sunspot , his dad, and gateway aren't black(weren't monet and penance kinda vague as far as race as well?). stevie hunter has no powers. and bling is named "BLING"! :(

Hate to be a downer but I gotta go with kross on this one.
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kross29 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009  Professional General Artist
thanks for the reply and kind words dude and yeah the x-men are pretty diverse, but i don't know about bishop. he was raised in the mutant ghettos of the future, and is pretty much the black version of cable. even more so now that he has a robot arm. i do like his power though. sasquatch is just an alternate reality version of the alpha flight sasquatch, and prodigy is just another one of those "smart" guys i was talking about, but i like the rest of the list. especially Monet
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Akeem Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
I completely agree with what you're saying. That's why i personally love the X-Men. That's one comic book series i know that has a variety of blacks; hero or villain.

First off the most famous female in all the Marvel Universe IS Storm. Everytime Marvel has a collage of their characters, they have Storm as the only female on it. And now she and T'CHalla are the most powerful couple in Marvel. So personally I think that's a plus. Then there's Bishop, who is a perfect example of a character who just happens to be black. He doesn't talk any jive, no slang, none of that. He's just head stong in what he believes in.

And there's alot of other black X-Men characters who's start wasn't in the ghetto or Africa. I mean, some of their stays were short, but they were still good characters.
1. Cecilia Reys
2. Prodigy
3. Maggot (r.i.p.)
4. Tag
5. Monet
6. Gateway
7. Doorman
8. Bling
9. Threnody
10. Synch
11. Sunspot
12. Shard (Bishop's Sister; r.i.p.)
13. Sasquatch
14. The Anarchist
15. Bedlam
16. Dreadlox
17. Emplate
18. Hammer
19. Monolith
20. Deluge
21. Joanna Cargill
22. Rem-Ram
23. MurMur
24. Emmanuel DeCosta
25. Selene
26. Shatter
27. Postman
28. Reese
29. Angel
30. Slick
31. Spike (X-Static, not X-Men Evolution, though that IS the exact same character)
32. Apocalypse (the most awesome villain)
33. Bedlam
34. Haven
35. Stevie Hunter
36. Shadow King
37. Penance

I know there are alot more, that's just all I can remember.

Now as for me, Your problem was mine, too. Which is why I created Massive Effect a long time ago. I wanted to do something that we ALL can relate to WITHOUT putting them in the ghetto, and it's very diverse. I sure I'll be the only one in history who created a Samoan villain.

All in all, You do what your doing. And hopefully, you and I will be able to change that game. Until then, keep hustling your work, man. You're doing a good job.
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ZONE33 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009
hahahahahahahaha HELL yes dude i dont know if u seen it but on street fighter 4 in the art gallery they did a charater design of a black dude kinda like akuma it was badass. but it wasnt used but at least someone gave it thought. but ur soooo right have someone else save the day i mean damn lol
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kross29 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009  Professional General Artist
hahaha i gotta find that akuma pic
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BobTheNinjaPirate Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
I remember reading a 2-part limited run from..I think it was Image that released it. Called 'Burn' or 'Burn Up', something like that...read it a couple of years ago. Perspective was from a superhero from maybe Cuba, and went into how he felt that even among other superheroes he was treated as a minority..I recall it was nicely written.
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kross29 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009  Professional General Artist
sounds pretty badass.
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pumpmonger Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009
This is spot on. What there needs to be is a shift where the character is a hero, not race or gender. A brave heart and couragous soul makes a hero.
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kross29 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2009  Professional General Artist
agreed
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