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Sat Aug 30, 2008, 1:00 PM
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  • Listening to: John Mayer, Where the Light is
  • Reading: bleach, superman beyond
  • Watching: oban star racer, smart people
  • Playing: Soul Calibur 4
  • Eating: crappy fast food
  • Drinking: mountain dew
Need to chill.

Seriously, alot of people are trying to figure what's wrong with the mainstream and how it's not reaching kids and teens as it should be. and I'm starting to see while a big part of it lies in the hands of DC and Marvel big wigs, another huge part of the blame is also fans who refuse to let anything change about their favorite heroes but yet still want something new out of it. Seriously any attempt a company makes at appealing to the next gen. of readers, is often shot down by fans. Like I just read some hate about the Next Avengers movie coming out next week. Why? cause heaven forbid a story be told about the children of the Avengers. I mean why read something new that will most likely still be very similar in tone to the original. I'm sure cap's son, acts a hell of alot like Cap. At least these kids are "avenging" the deaths of their parents, giving a reason for them to be called the Avengers. cause the original team never avenged anything. lol more like the term justice league/society was taken.

But anyway fans really need to relax a bit and let mainstream comics grow a little, and stop forcing the big 2 to find new ways to tell the same stories.
Like just recently at a con panel, they asked fans who;d they want to be the successor of Batman, and most of them voted they only wanted to see Bruce as Batman. Dear lord, how long are we gonna milk these franchises before they become so stale that they appeal only to the kids who bought them 20 or more years ago.

i mean there's a whole new generation of comic fans/creators who've never picked up a mainstream book, which is fine but my fear is that if that keeps happening then these old icons will fade away, and to be honest they're not being replaced with more noble or inspring people. (quick example, peter petrelli and most of the good guys in heroes, who are so "human" that they really don't do anything but whine)

the cool things about the mainstream super heroes is that they're all grounded in strong moral ideas, that aren't necessarily connected to any religion, thus making them accessible to alot of people. as a kid, reading with great power comes great responsibility, forever changed me. and i think that losing ideas like this far down the line just sucks.

not to say that the manga and indy books that the next generation are reading now don't do these kinds of things, especially in regards to shonen manga and anime. seriously if you haven't read naruto or watched tengen toppa gurren lagann, you need to cause these stories feature characters that don't let their being "human and relatable" get in the way of being ass kickers.

it's just that the mainstream icons need to stay around as well, and that won't happen if the big 2 keep catering to the wills of their current fan base.

at the very least i wish they;d pull a George Lucas,and worry more about getting new fans, like he did with the prequels and what he's doing with the current animated series, and not so much pleasing the old ones cause they're already hooked and no matter how much they complain about any new material will still spend money on it.

so old fans, relax, it's okay to let grayson or drake be batman, i promise you your childhood won't be ruined.

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i have to disagree but i still respect your veiws and opinions and this is also one of the points i disagree on with Robert kirkman.inconsitancy is the problem. i think its a huge turn off to readers from outside the normal comic book fan base.i stopped reading comics for their lack of coherent continuity.
lets use a more mainstream example.
i wouldn't want to watch HOUSE if all of a sudden
wilson killed house and house was replaced with his long lost son with Cuttie. its ridiculous in a TV show its just as bad in a batman book.
I'm a marvel fan because back in the day when was a kid they where the only one with consistent plot lines.
if i picked up a D.C. book i never knew who was going to be flash,green lantern or the flash.at the time spiderman was always peter parker and wolverine was always logan.the first d.c book i picked up had the "modern age" super man attending the funeral of the golden age superman or some such none sense
I also see lots of children and young people who read comic admittedly most of them read manga . i remember when i was working as a tutor there was actually a kid who was crying because captain America had died.
i think comic have become inaccessible because of writers tring to put their fan boy fantasies into things rather then telling clear consistent stories .

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word...i actually stopped reading "mainstream" comics due to the lack of actual new material same with most of the more recent manga, i mean i dig havin' a lil' naru-time and some bleachigo, but at this point i'm a bit shonened out. on the plus side, though, there's always a lot of really interesting stuff coming out of the indy set and europe, also that manhwa stuff is catchin'...

maaan, if they put grayson in the cape and cowl, (without putting bruce back in the costume a few months down the line) that would be soooo BANANAS!!!! seems like the comics really only change when they're cartoons, i.e., Next Avengers, Batman Beyond etc.

wow...rant:)

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I agree with you!
Comics were originally designed for CHILDREN. The stories of today are getting boring in mainstream land, only keeping the fanboys happy.

Children have nothing new and exciting to read these days that are NEW. Publishers need to evaluate how "classics" became classics, and need to reel in some new readers, because latchkey children watching 100 hours of tv after school and going on MySpace everday is destroying the youth of today.
it's all good man, but i think you misinterpret what i meant. i wouldn't want the classic hero gone, just not the focus. kinda like batman beyond. we get to see another aspect of these guys if they were placed in the backseat a little and only coming out to fight when theeir proteges screw up. another good example is dragonball to dragonball z, where goku always ended up saving the day but we got to see him grow from a kid to a grandfather, at one point fighting alongside both of his sons. he never left and we got to see things develop. they screwed up with Dragonball GT, where they made him a kid again, pretty much the same thing they do with mainstream superheroes. and just did a lame retelling of all the stories that took place before, this same thing is going on in alot of mainstream books. however there are some good examples, like all star superman, and the xmen. who are about the only mainstream heroes that have slowly aged and still are throughout the years, every 10 years or so a new generation of mutants are brought in adding life to the books, like just recenty with that lizard kid, anole, pixie and rockslide. allowing the last group to grow a little. like most of the new mutants from the 80's are now teachers. cool stuff, no one looks a day older than 25, and the possibilities for more stories can be told. might explain why at least on x-book has been in the top 10 selling comics pretty much since the mid-80's. spidey/supes/ the avengers come and go but they're always on the charts.

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lol it's all good man. and i'm totally with you. seeing grayson having to deal with batman level problems would be great. especially considering he's not as smart as bruce. it'd also be cool to see how the JLA would handle having a batman who doesn't know how to always save the day.

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true. not that i don't want comics for adults or for them to write them in way that dumbs it down for children. just really relate to the current generation like the originals did.

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Even though I despise Naruto with the fullest level of hate on the Hate 'o' Meter, I understand what you're saying, and was kind of thinking the same thing. Almost all the kids/peers I know are obsessed with manga and anime.
I kind of worry that one day the Dc and Marvel classics may disappear if something doesn't give.

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yep and man i used to hate naruto too. but that lil fox bastard swallowed me up in one of his passionate i'm an orphan so like me speeches.

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George Lucas was not trying to gain new viewers, he was milking the established fanbase.
The folks who stood in line for weeks before the release of each prequel were no new viewers, but the loyal fanbase. He knows how to keep them coming back, even when they protest and detest everything about them. I saw all three in the theater, mainly because I didn't realize how bad they were, except episode 3. I can watch episode 3 all day.

Many people knew how Anakin became darth vader before those films came out. And for the most part, that's what the old heads wanted to see. What they got instead was Lucas turning one of the greatest Villains in film history into a whining dipshit who probably would have been awesome if he wasn't whining so much (just like Peter Petrelli!)

To deconstruct a hero and turn him into a tragic figure, you kinda have to like him to begin with. You have to feel for him when he's doing awesome, and also when he fails miserably. That way when he completely falls from grace you understand it, and you feel sympathetic for him. The majority of the folks who watched the prequels felt none of that. They had a good chance in Episode 3 with the whole "save my wife from dying" thing but they fucked it up.

I agree with you on the big two needing to try new things but, just like with Lucas, if you keep feeding them crap and they still buy it, why should i try something new?
lol, anakin whines just as much as luke. but i get what you're saying.

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